Pinky Lai, the Porsche Cayman, and Fuchs wheels

We’ve an exclusive for you this episode as ex-Porsche designer Pinky Lai explains, for the first time in public, how the Cayman was conceived back at the start of the Millennium. The boys then debate the Cayman’s place in the Porsche lineup, before discussion turns to Fuchs wheels, engine mounts, and the practicalities of the 911’s rear seats…

Transcript

spk_1:   0:18
welcome to write a Red Line. My Name's Lee joining me today and in every episode are my colleagues. Joke on Andy. Hello, boys. We're on our own today, aren't we? No guests or panellists?

spk_0:   0:31
Well, we got a little bit of a Would you call it a clip? It oven interview toe to share. But it's not not live as per normal.

spk_1:   0:39
Yeah, I'm still basking in the warm glow from my interview with Pink Eli last week, which seemed to go down pretty well so far on on my YouTube channel. Can I get plug in their early doors of my loud well as hoping you've seen the video? Probably not, but if you have, it's mostly obviously to see if the nine on six the chi designed but what is most famous for design and if you like. But as well as designing previously to his time at Ports, the 36 at BMW. So did her did year any hey also headed up BMWs Zed department in the rial early days again. This was before we kind of switched toe Portia, but yes designed the nine on six on DH. After that, he designed the 987 came and Joe. So the very car you drive

spk_0:   1:29
Yeah, be Conway to here is we've got to say about that today that it's coming a bit later on.

spk_1:   1:34
Yes, exactly were the end of our interview, we had about 10 minutes chatting Teo, Pinky about that and again, like super super interested. It's just stuff that you don't ordinarily here. And because kind of pinky's off the payroll, if you like a Porsche, he's not stifled by, um, yes, exactly that toeing the company line, I think they call it, isn't it? Is very happy to talk quite freely and honestly about the Cayman on about how it was a marketing decision. So when it comes to Teo,

spk_0:   2:07
did you have you? Have you kept the came and edit? Or if you deleted it, because I know you will see your love for them?

spk_1:   2:13
Ah, now I have kept it. I've kept it specifically for you, Joe, because I know it's your car. I just thought I'd be really cool if you did it for you to hear from the man who designed your car and yelled for everybody listening at home as well, just kind of get a handle on on where the company was at that time. I think, say, but I

spk_0:   2:32
don't think I'm not the I'm not the only 97 Cayman owner driver as well in the country. I think it's a few more of us out there that my

spk_1:   2:38
preaching is a couple of days. If they're to be fair, my brother wants to buy one as well, so it's at least two people will find it interesting. Come

spk_0:   2:50
on, they're going back to going back to the main interview. What were your biggest takeaways? Them,

spk_1:   2:56
I think. For May 1st and foremost. How nice. What top man Pinky is actually really happy to chat about things again? I've spoken to Michael Mauer before. Who is the current head of Porsche styles? It's essentially Pinky's job today on get an assist. You know, you every every answer that you're given to a question that you asked. As a journalist, it's kind of again very toes. The company line is a bit like a footballer, and you listen to them at the end of a post match interview on they just say the same stuff. Regardless of the question. You're the journalist ask, and it kind of is a little bit like that. You know, I don't want Teo, Mr Mauer, too much injustice here. But obviously he's a message. He has a message that he kind of got to put forward from Portia Weathers. As I said, Pinky's a bit more free to chat. Andi is really insightful, very, very happy to chat about just how close the company came to ending in the late 19 nineties and being sold out by Toyota or being sold out to Toyota or Mercedes on DH. In Pinky's own words, the nine on six was the company's last bullet, so they had to get that car right. So it is quite significantly down to Pinky and a select few others. And that's the other thing. He said, that where Portia has grown almost exponentially in the two decades since the just even the design team. Now that he said that in his day it was about half a dozen off them, you could fit all in one small meeting room. You all knew each other's name. You knew that wife's name, but you know their kid's name. You know everything about them with us Now it's a 60 strong kind of team effort on it, So things have changed quite substantially. But yes, at the end of the nineties or the mid nineties, when the nine on six was being designed, it was down Teo to him in a select few others, really to save the company had the company's fate in his own hands, which we're doing

spk_0:   4:54
quite well now.

spk_1:   4:54
Yeah, I wouldn't fancy that. I have to say so. You know, regardless and way know that I'm a personal champion of the nine on six. But I think for Pinky especially, is thanks to him that everybody driving a water called 9 11 today. It's because of Pinky getting it right on the rest of the Porsche team at the time and get in that car, right, because a CZ we know it sold well. It it did outsell the 993 on DH, put some coffers back into into the money pot for Portia to then go off and try the Cayenne and, you know, obviously ended up. But less than 10 years later on, they're in a position to design the Carrera GT, aren't they? So it made massively Yeah, This is a very, very amazing turnaround in actually a very short time, really. So

spk_0:   5:45
their design process changes were quite yeah, quite amazing in terms of how much they advanced in that period. And you know where he was saying how he sort of took a very much more Elektronik digital approach to it. And I thought that was going to bursting.

spk_1:   5:58
Definitely. We kind of We will take it for granted. Now don't weigh in. And we think we know how it cars designed. It's all on the computer will. Yeah, you know, to two decades ago which again? It's not too much. It's not too long ago, that wasn't the case, you know, as we say, a lot. A lot ofthe things have happened in a very short time. And I think that hits home the point that those in the industry at the moment, like, you know, top automated bosses are saying that the car industry generally is going to change Maurine the next 10 years than it has in the past 100. Ah, nde. You know, if you offset that against what Pinky was saying and how kind of quickly and exponentially things have evolved in the last 20 years. Well, the next 10 years are gonna be very exciting and scary.

spk_2:   6:43
It was quite interested in him when he was talking about cat designer or that sort of thing, that it almost seemed that he was the kind of instigator in a lot of that kind of process on DH four. Portia. Andi, I don't know. What do you think he bought that cross from their BMW when he thinks I

spk_1:   7:03
think so. Yeah. It was a bit of a tag team because his boss Portia was harmless. Guy on DH Harm worked with Pinky, It being W previously on DH the storey goes, although off No, no, ever managed to speak Teo Harm The guy Pinky says that harm was approached by Porsche t leave BMW and obviously Goto's. If housing on DH, harm said I'll go. But only if I can bring somebody with me. And that person was Pinky. So they obviously had a very close working relationship on DH. The impression I get from Pinky's has a lot of resolve. Very determined individual. And he also had his backing. He had backing from his boss, and really, I mean, that's kind of the perfect ingredients, isn't it? For success, particularly in a creative role. I think when somebody is given the space tow work and to kind of really get creative Ondas we said It's kind of it's obviously been to the benefit of Portia's a company, isn't it?

spk_0:   8:05
Honestly, massively, hugely changed. I changed the change, the whole dial for portion that

spk_1:   8:10
without doubt, without doubt. And yes, you know a say the video, which I am sorry to plug, but it's on the YouTube channel that 9 11 guy. Sorry, gents, if people haven't had the list, I do encourage you to kind of listen. It is genuinely It's really, really interesting. But as I say, there is a snippet that kept, which is just purely came. And so shall we give that a role and have a listen?

spk_2:   8:37
Why not do it? Mr.

spk_1:   8:38
I've got one more question for you, Pinky, if you don't mind. So obviously designed the 987 Cayman as well. Watch your greatest achievement. Designing the 996 or designing a new portion in the Caymans

spk_3:   8:51
bar. The agreement is another fixed her order. There is Storey. You know looking back, I when when I was in the middle of everything, I was never a way off. You know, the external re ordinaries situation Totally not is nothing. Nothing ordinary in terms of design process compared to my past experience ought to other portion experience. In the beginning, there's no name for it. It took us a very long until we get that external is an external guy. Ah who came up with the whole bunch of name. We have to pay him for it on bin and then we pick me pick The name came and and everybody was happy about it. Until then, there's no there's no number Nothing. It was like, you know, just like the kite. So how come he came out, came out It was not different. Can't initiated by the project team It was a project that came in itself is initiated by the marketing team. No, nobody. Nobody really, really, really care ofthe mentioning it because normally the project in the US they are responsible for initiating new project on New Hollow on new noses. But it was at that time after I think it was one year after we launched the boxer. He was quite successful. Everybody's buying it. And then But one day I got a call from marketing that daily in a meeting, and they need to have some discussion initiated the designer, so and then I realised they were worrying already. Hey, what happened to the next year? And then the year after that, the Knicks off the off the new box, type that, and then I start to understand. Okay, Yeah, that's that is that is coming. That that problem was gonna come. Um, it is a mobile numbers off card. You sell our year after year and then you don't have any anything to pack it up or any new new face live or whatever. And the the mortal gonna die? No. Unless you you start investing in a new replacement. At that time, it was too early to be paced the Boxster. So that was the discussion between between studio and and ah, marketing. It was pure marketing, but I should not mention any name. But he really came in and then mentioned the problem and the way it was, it was, although he was very early because we didn't even have a proper pageant boy. It was just in internal discussion, brainstorming a little bit. And then he said eventually he could generate some budget to do some design exercise. So we started with some sense into the work for the Photoshopping, combined with a little bit of sketching me and my colleagues. Ah, it was a very small tin, just me and then another designer. And we were doing some combination of sketching for shopping. And then and then we were not happy about it. Until one day I realised I said, you need we need to do some free D instead of just photoshopping and two t work because ah, lot of a lot of the element could not be ah cannot weaken way just by looking a to d we need to solve three D already two favourite from photoshopping Yeah, off a design proposal and then I I argue that this is not enough to show that the rial our favour or character off this to proposal. You need to do something three d modelling. And at that time Ah, it was wrong about no one. But I'm sort of relieved that I'm grey and getting cold. Um, so we were going back and forth out, we got it. And then I was calling about few external modem maker from Germany and from Italy and try to try to get get us some information, some pack of cause numbers to pick up my my strategy. My strategy is to brew up Ah, couple of seafood model. I was so courageous.

spk_1:   13:15
It's a simple model

spk_3:   13:17
size. You know, we are talking about almost look alike of your car. Um, that. But maybe I was lucky. And then I knew a couple of ah Callen studio or model pewter. Then they like they like my stuff very much. So I call him not before before Christmas, a week before Christmas. I remember. I say, Look, I need some quick modelling or are at the end. We ended up talking about seafood model and to off them. But I said, Hey, I don't have I don't have the proper budget to to to fit you. Do they pay you a lot of back and forth and sort of brainstorming how how do we get a quick exercise? And then for satisfied the management, they showed them really no closed anything close to a supermodel and out of the blue and said, OK, Senate's sent us to ah to chassis to ah to box the body. You know, just just, you know, cover several currency currency, just just, ah, street metal body to body. And then they will do their tricks. And Senate send us free D data. Not sketch, not rendering free. D data is just fell in my labs, you know? Hey, I said three D data. Hey, that is my my, my my kind of my kind of cup of tea. And so I said, OK, give me Give me a couple of weeks time so over. It's like over the Christmas holiday. And you Yeah, and ah, I had I had to set of data, you know, he's not the body. Just that just a roof that we house Harry. So he was, you know, out of the blue, I managed to come up with to settle our greenhouse data and then send it down to Turin after the New Year is not cracking on, you know, building the supermodel and then me and ah, at that time he was Mr Market Market. Was the head of the Indy be flung dung there, too. We give the model do some taping and peace and that Oh, he really enjoyed working on this. Um, we from down there top the timing to read and then by people before Easter holiday. Before they use that we'd done, we had, uh we had to see for model send back to myself. And then we set up the show in in a Vintano. It was top suit. Nobody sees it. So we unloaded the model in Vintano and then the caught off off the importer. You know, we'll import. They have put down their cold, and there's no way to do it. And then at that time, of course, we have some internal show. The CEO at that time. Ah, you taking? Yeah, way on, newbie off our safer. But by the time we finished that show, people pass me. Is that Come on This way. Our studio, he said to me, Oh, that would be a shame if we killed that. But I need 17% friendlies in the event ability. When I said what are you talking about? 17%. It's like, wow, you know. Ah, And then I started realising now It's been a really tough cookies because normally a coupe is always cheaper than no. A coupe off a car always came before the capital. It? Yeah. So we are comparing the came in to divorce. Normally, the coop should be also cheaper than the capital It? Yeah, but in outraised the caiman is more expensive than the Boxster. But he was, you know, the CEO was lacking. I need 17% went ability. Otherwise he would kill the yoga from that. But at the end is that Oh, this is too beautiful to Q. So I let I let you guys played a magic numbers,

spk_1:   17:14
right? Really? As a front.

spk_3:   17:17
That's how we get the programme. So all the other financial guy get back. Teo went back to the ulcers and start paying about numbers. And that's all because of uber wow. Okay, came, sold all the importer was, you know, putting down numbers. So they also picked a winner. You know, that's that's where we got today. What? A storey. So unusual. The process, How we picked that model and how we finance the whole motto at all. We have a budget. Yeah,

spk_2:   17:46
did then When? When When you

spk_1:   17:47
made that came. And did you expect Fritz is to keep going for so many years like it is currently? And I Did you expect that to be 20 years later?

spk_3:   17:56
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess that is That is the basic strategy. You know, we cannot just have one single model line for for Boxter. Yeah, we mean always, you know, two models. So that 11 more one model started get age on, then we always have the second model, You know, overlapping and orders that

spk_1:   18:16
fascinating Pinky, I thank you very much for your time on DH.

spk_3:   18:19
Great talking to you? Yeah,

spk_1:   18:21
likewise. And we'll speak soon, No doubt. Okay. Thank you. Every day. That was Pinky anyway.

spk_2:   18:27
Yeah, that was good.

spk_0:   18:29
Snort some into here now. I mean, what crazy inside into our is almost accidental car?

spk_1:   18:35
Absolutely. You know, it was marked in. Called for the car, which is very unusual for Portia. Portia is you know, the full title is engineering. It's an engineering company, isn't it? But the car was called upon by marketing as a necessity and was conceived with no budget. That

spk_0:   18:53
mad. They would love to know. I would love to know what the comparable 9 11 budget was for the time for the next. The next model to create one with no budget must have been, you know, is what's a gift for Portia Space?

spk_1:   19:05
Yeah, massively. And he raises a really good point, actually. The gas to pricing and how, Yes, that came out of more expensive than the box there. But in the realms of the 9 11 yes, the capital A is more expensive than the coupe. So it's a little bit of a awkward juxtaposition there, shall we say.

spk_2:   19:22
But all it was was a financial thing that he had to make it 17% profitable.

spk_1:   19:28
Yes. And

spk_2:   19:29
that that's why it was it. Well, is it? Is it still the same? Now is the came and still it more expensive in the bookstore equipment?

spk_1:   19:36
It is. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah. So this is what I mean. It kind of goes against the grain a little bit, doesn't it?

spk_2:   19:43
It does. It does. That's when you think of any other car. It's always capital. It is the more expensive e

spk_0:   19:49
think they've. They've established it as as a different car. Finally, even they, I mean the beginning. Everyone just assumed it was a box of the roof. And then I think you're quite cottoned on that. Actually, it's Yeah, it was just a little bit more than that.

spk_1:   20:01
Yeah, it is kind of typical. Portia is, and they're all sorts. Will be tweets damping, for example, Wouldn't you know? It's exactly the same from 1911 model to another. It's lots of those finite changes that add up to the bigger picture, isn't it? And without doubt and you know, yes, it's it's obviously it's been a very successful car. I think the only thing you have to count against that 7 18 line as it is now is is that four cylinder engine, which I think Portia is kind of by its own admission, has admitted its mistakes, Isn't it because the only way out was six banger? Yeah, I think so. I'm

spk_0:   20:38
sure I don't know. It was somebody with somebody else was saying that the yeah, they're gonna revert back Teo a six banger all round and the full eat the other 44 pot motors going Tokyo or just going to save it for the Asian market I think that he's

spk_1:   20:51
not somewhere. Yeah, that makes sense. And to be honest, Cole said, didn't they? On a previous podcast that we had with him about how 718 models, the early four bangers going forward, they might be quite tricky to sell because it is. It's just kind of that awkward crossover, really? Where Portia tried something else. I remember going tio presentation from somebody from Motor Sport and was likening the engine to the that found in the the 9 1980 hybrid Lamont Carr. And I thought, we really are kind of clutching at straws here because it is quite a significant diversion, really. But yeah, it is, I think, with the GTs 718 come backto six parts. It does make the four cylinder engines a little bit awkward, isn't it? Really? Yeah. Doesn't know.

spk_0:   21:41
Make it would

spk_2:   21:42
be just on the very low model. I

spk_0:   21:45
think I think they're gonna ditch all together. I think it was such a sticking point karma it was Somebody was definitely telling me that it is on its way out, and the meat's gonna I think I'm gonna put some really either difficult to saddle some really cheap two litre can be a force in the two cars out there. But it's just such a such a big deal isn't here. And you know, so many people have got a problem with that engine. It's it's kind of killed a little bit a

spk_1:   22:07
man. Actually, I tell you what. If they did, if Porter did, can that engine that would be a huge backtrack here? I mean, I can't really think of another time. The company has kind of got something wrong if you like. There's, of course, when

spk_2:   22:24
if those headlights on there

spk_1:   22:27
Ah, there ID's sharpening the sword over there, I can hear him. But now you know, in all seriousness, I can't really think of another time. There's been such significant U turn. And obviously there was the P. D. K gearboxes in the non on one gem, one GT threes and then for the Gentoo that Porsche said, right, okay, knows a manual in the GT three is allowed. After all, it was a little bit of a backtrack there, but I mean, you know, ditching an engine is far more significant than that. I feel so

spk_0:   23:03
true. I think that engine would have had a fair bit development as well. I'm sure it's probably a shoe home. Yeah, it's something else into something else to make it fit with the turbos and stuff, but its overall it is still a A brand new engine, isn't it? So it is quite a big deal to dish now.

spk_1:   23:17
Yeah, yeah. How the hell does on here in Pinky Sentiments there? Joe, how does that make you feel? If somebody that owns that car now sort 15 years on,

spk_0:   23:27
he's quite privileged. I think it's actually, Yeah, there's an amazing little bit of history. I mean, they came in. Such became has always been the underdog underdog, doesn't it? I mean, it's It's always been either. It's tryingto get away from the door Hairdresser box to stereotype. Yeah, that side of things or ITT's getting compared to the 9 11 and having to prove itself is its own car because it's not on 9 11 and the engine in the wrong place for the rest of it. So I think it is. Yeah, he's always been that car that that kind of people have got something Teo say honestly, negatively, but something to sort of drive about in something to have a little dig about. I mean, that's that's been my regular kind of a reception to anyway. So I think to here to here that actually it was it was conceived from nowhere and turned out to be The successor is I think it is. It's a miracle in itself, really. It's

spk_2:   24:16
almost the start of like niche models, is there? It's kind of It's Nishi. It's no a mainstay. I'm trying to think what else kind of fits into that, but you know, But you know what I mean by that? What?

spk_1:   24:30
God. I mean, I think if you if you look at the end of the 996 generation there, I mean all the careers off them, the four s, they were all narrow bodied, weren't they? For example, the line up was far more primitive than than even the 997 where kind of they start expanding the range and then yes, alongside the box, they're there. Then came like the tin top version, which was obviously, is the Caymans thesis payoffs. He evolved from that sense. So I think you're right. That is the time where Portia, And again it just goes down to the money on that. They've had more money to kind of chuck into the R and D side of things and just they could afford to diversify the range. I think

spk_0:   25:11
it could have ended up being a bit like a modern 91 for almost minutes or putting the engineer different place. And it could have just run for yeah, a period of time. But the fact is, run for two decades is a whole different kettle of fish in

spk_1:   25:25
that massive tail. How cooler Those 91 fours. Honestly, there's just not nothing. This country are there, you know? Well, I think they

spk_0:   25:32
was so unpopular. That's the crazy thing. I mean, just it wasn't that long ago that I remember looking at, well, idea, any longer staying that long gay probably probably was actually probably 15 years ago, But I remember looking at 91 twos and 91 fours and nobody really wanted them. And they were, Yeah, they were just pennies to buy. And there's loads of Yeah, there's there's not a load off them. There was choice. Yeah, yeah. You had the choice of lots of them literally no money. And now they're sought after an unfortunate because they've not been looked after this. This is not enough. From about 91 for cracking little girl, there was

spk_2:   26:06
many that could have been saved from a scrap yard back then.

spk_1:   26:10
How many of them have been lost? Especially the 9 14 6 with the six part or the flat? Six from the 9 11 in Absolutely. Also, remember driving one Haddon I know one gearbox, actually. With the dogleg first year. Yeah, If you can't find it, grind it. It was my motto for love it there. What river? Yeah, five first. Yeah. Say they are so so call enough. It's a real shame that we don't see more of them in this country today. Well, there's There's still some

spk_0:   26:44
around those in there. They're not. They're not completely extinct over here. But you do see him rarely on the road, though. So

spk_2:   26:50
what else? What else is going on in the world?

spk_1:   26:53
Well, you've been busy in there. You've been swapping engine mounts off sin on instagram.

spk_2:   26:57
I have a happier finally got rid of the shocking. I don't know if you're or you are o mounts I had in that

spk_1:   27:07
coffee. You are Alan.

spk_2:   27:09
Yeah. You are out pieces of absolute garbage.

spk_1:   27:14
Where does your disdain come from? Them with those

spk_2:   27:17
What My engine was about to drop out the back of my

spk_1:   27:20
car. Well, you know, a second engine does mean Alois into a gravity, so

spk_2:   27:30
I've never been happy with them since I fitted them. It's wass I was last year. Yeah, I did that on DH. They've always bean a little bit noisy on. I've never been happy with the way that the order fittings that the washers and the nuts the bolts fitted

spk_1:   27:49
seems

spk_2:   27:49
almost looked like they were sailing from the beginning. Um, I noticed it getting worse and worse. And the tails the tailpipes notice sitting correctly. Andi, I took it apart and one of the mounted actually almost started popping out through the bottom on. So you have got We goes on there now, which, like then a little test run Tau working back on and they feel lovely. Very controlled less noise than those other ones, So yeah, happy with them?

spk_1:   28:20
Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Yeah. The ur eye off, Confess off. Not heard of those before Andi Azad chief. A little job, is it? Or

spk_2:   28:31
£100 her pair on? They're meant to be rs copies. So come in. But they just they look the same, but they are no way near the same as a 1,000,000 part. Here is cheque all that by twice by now by cheap by twice. I

spk_1:   28:49
cheat my toys here and actually it's It's amazing, isn't it, that the difference in feel off engine mounts

spk_2:   28:57
are huge? I don't live interview played around with engine mounts in the past, Honey,

spk_0:   29:05
I'm replaced a few before, but yeah, I think I don't think I haven't swapped one for another Teo. Find a difference. They

spk_2:   29:12
I played around with quite a lot on different cars. Most memorable. One was a corado. Andi are six on the front engine man on there. Have you changed over to a solid one rather than the factory rubber just transformed the car in handling terms because when you've got a standard engine mounts there, you've got like when you go into a corner, the car set into the core and then you feel the engine move across. You get that sort to stage setting up in the corner with that solid mountain in there. It totally changes the way the car field. It just goes. This one set up, um so low transfer on DH. The car just feels totally different, handling wise on DH, that that's the same as what 9 11 feels like. Now. It just feels like it's one lung problem than that big lump at the back moving around after the car settled.

spk_1:   30:05
Yeah. And when are you gonna buy some food wills than Andy as well? Because everybody on this podcast has got food World's this week last. It's going tonight. And this tissue left?

spk_2:   30:17
Yes. Tell us about those butt ball that on both of you.

spk_0:   30:22
I Yeah, I just been keeping an eye open. Come out? Yeah. I've always thought the ones on the 9 12 always been a little bit skinny. Or do I have the wheels of skinny or the arches? A too big, but I've got the unknown arches, which, at some point, after trying get the bomb off. Yeah, just They kind of don't really filled them very well. And they look a bit Austin there. Say yeah, just loosely keeps it. Is this fish is on there. Currently. I think they're 5.5. So round. Okay, so yeah. Yeah. Then these. Ah, these new ones are replicas. But they're, you know, they've been painted up nicely and hopefully gonna fit sevens in the front and h from the back, which should give it a different stance. Probably changing the drive of it.

spk_1:   31:08
You know, I really hope you can fit them. Joe on. I am hopeful because your arches are flared quite significantly. But not of, aren't they? So there's there's definitely hope there. But I think if you can get that right, then I think that would look absolutely tremendous. We'll have to put a couple of pictures off and went we on our on our instagram page so that people can see them, but really, really cool kind of singer style, aren't they? Really?

spk_0:   31:33
Yeah, I think that's what someone's done. They've painted it up in the same sort of the same sort of theme. Is that as the singer say? Yeah, I'm just I'm curious as to what they looked like against the sort of the white of the car, because it's although the car's off white. Yeah, these air grey with silver lip s. I don't know whether it might look a bit bland. Possibly today we'll see. I think this kettlebell never look.

spk_1:   31:56
Yeah, definitely excited to see them on. And it goes without saying you won't need any spaces. What

spk_0:   32:04
about yours, then What have you have you opted for with yours in the end?

spk_1:   32:07
Yeah. If they've done the same as you, Joan, and gone for Cem. And for some foods, they genuine Foose wheels I got from Paraguayan who are a dealer for fish in the UK Black face on them with the crime lip. But they won't be staying that way. I'll put them on the car for now because I'm too excited to not put them on, but yeah, it's kind of answers on a postcard, really? As to what colour? To paint the face is really I'm not too sure What kind of flirting with, like a sat in bronze moving toward a kind of sat in gold anywhere kind of in that sort of colour palette. So then what? You guys think that I'm totally up for some help?

spk_0:   32:52
You thinking actual that the the petal spoke So you think in the whole the whole face.

spk_1:   32:58
Think the whole thing, to be honest, although again, I'm totally open to ideas on it. Yeah, I think it might look better with the whole thing just because it's a bit more modern. So the spokes if do the whole thing, it's a bit chunkier. Why don't you ever just doing the petals all kind of look a bit too delicate. I'm not sure I don't

spk_2:   33:19
have a big nose. Modern one? Or would you know the ones that the 996997 ever done with just petal?

spk_1:   33:27
Yeah, it's a good point, and I wonder if it's for a good reason. This is the thing. I'm really not sure we have to get the photo shop skills out for that one. I think Teo, just have a play. I'm really, really not sure. And to be honest, even even with the kind of guy that would be me will be proud of my brother or somebody, that photo shop it for us. But even with the best will in the world, it's not until kind of well was it done on the car that you can never really tell, isn't it just in terms of everything, you know, like the stance of the car, the colour if it works and everything. So now, wanton ankles. Yeah, this is it. Absolutely everything, actually everything. So I'm really not sure, but I will be banging them on for now anyway, just as they are. I think they look awesome. Unlike yours, those jokers you got centre caps with yours? I didn't guess Centre caps with mine. It was a bit of a foe. Par.

spk_0:   34:18
Well, they're quite an expensive item. Your eyes. So I've been told if he need to go and buy a set.

spk_1:   34:23
Okay, fair enough. Well, I mean again, this is just my naivety on it. But I thought when you bought set of wheels, you get the centre caps it to me. It's a bit like buying a football shirt and not having like, the club crest on there on the only replica kit, you know, so year, slightly miffed about that, but apparently have done some research is not that they kind of forgot struck her in the box. It's that year. It's it's some extra money. So I think

spk_0:   34:46
there are about 200 quid a go for Pakistan.

spk_1:   34:49
Right. Okay. Well, I was just about to say before I come across this completely tight. I was about to say off, looked into just, like, not running the centre caps so little bit outlaw style and then getting the the stud conversion I've seen Wren line do it. Kicks are quite like the look of that.

spk_0:   35:09
What does that? Is that a bit of a conflicting theme. If you getting fish wheels with the stud conversion and no centre caps or is that

spk_1:   35:15
possibly I don't know. I really don't know. I'm very up for just trying it. And if to be honest, it doesn't look good, I'll just take them off and somebody will have them on eBay, won't they? You know, but yeah, we'll see how we go. But it was just funny How, by complete coincidence, wasn't it on our block? What's that group? But the picture of these foot swells and Joe, you come along, didn't you? And was like, What? I'll raise you some food for some, Like dish fruits will say he has been quite funny week for wheels really in there in this group.

spk_2:   35:46
So what's the timelines for getting them on your car.

spk_1:   35:50
O J. 11 month tomorrow when you

spk_0:   35:52
I need to find some rubber fairs. I don't If I need to find well, need to find some rubber that fits and then find someone to put the rubber on the wheels. So, yeah, possibly. But I don't know if that's an essential activity. Currently today, after see who's open and willing

spk_1:   36:07
are darkly, that's essential. How can you get your shopping if you can't if you can't get ghetto anyway way

spk_2:   36:14
somebody that's working actually tired, fitting wise I'll give you that number

spk_0:   36:18
today, all right, that worked.

spk_1:   36:20
Yeah, I have seen a tyre Gary J. P. And I know what you mean. It's a bit different, isn't it, from like a company van or yet some sort of flight frontline worker. And then you've got Joe rocking up in his 9 12 saying, could I have for new corners, please? So, yeah, that's play. If you could get more on that great every autumn for that first post locked down, Dr.

spk_0:   36:43
You're 100% like quite a lot about yours. Then you're gonna get some, get some rubber ordered up, getting on Or, you

spk_1:   36:49
know, to be honest, I'm just going to take the tyres that currently on the GT three BBS wheels take them off and put them on the on the fish oils. They're the same size, same size. Well, so it should just be a lifelike swap. Used the same bolts for now. Andi,

spk_0:   37:06
think you're some tomorrow, then?

spk_1:   37:08
Yeah, I'm hoping sage advice that I really am.

spk_0:   37:11
Yes, it Lee, what's what's the deal with the safe? You sh is Obviously it's fissures within s Is that like a posh sort of replica reproduction company? Or they got actual links to the original real deal or yeah, Do you know much about them? Background

spk_1:   37:26
year, like, vaguely apologised if I get any of this wrong for people listening in. But my understanding of it is ferocious. That's the company Auto fish. His will design was chosen by Portia. I believe it was. It might be in the 9 11 are of 90 67 or the 9 11 s of 1966 outs. The first will that Porsche decided tow roll with a zoo lightweight alloy will rather than the steel ones they had for the early two litre cars on DH. Yes, there. The 9 11 has been synonymous, hasn't it? With fish wills in the decades since latterly. I don't know what happened, where they're just some sort of contract, the agreement is ended or whether there's kind of a falling out or something along those off sinister lines, I don't know. But for the 991 there was no food wheels that the officials on the sport classic on On On seven, they are fu sh will's genuine fu sh wells. However, from the switch over to 991 poor. She used a five leaf design that was in ha Marge, if you like to the fish were on the 50th anniversary car, the one on one anniversary. But they aren't Foose wheels. They are. They are Portia wheels again, kind of made in the spirit of fish will. So

spk_2:   38:42
they're interesting, actually, because we were talking about yours doing the petals of a different colour to the rest of the face you are, I have They do have the petals of different colours,

spk_1:   38:56
they dear. Yeah, I mean, they are slightly different design. They've that that wheel option was also kind of an optional extras. I've seen that on a few turbo wheels, but again, without, like the actual faces painted, it's just like a black wheel with a silver lip. But yeah, the first modern, modern day that they're not foods wheels, Unfortunately, so I have the wheels. I four are from the company Foose Wheels so that they are genuine foods. But, yeah, there's some point in the last off, um, 78 years, Porsche and Portia and officials have kind of on their separate ways, Really, Which is a shame. But I don't know what you guys think you know. Does it is a future will suit modern car, you know? I don't know. I thought they looked lovely on the sport Classic,

spk_0:   39:43
You know that. I think certain cars with certain themes, I think they were a bit like you're 996 where you kind of gone with a retro ray kind of theme to the whole thing. I think it fits, but I think if you just go yeah, out of the box. Modern metallic kind of, Yeah. Modern coloured, modern shapes. Do they fit? I not so much that I don't think

spk_1:   40:04
Yeah, yeah, I think it's where the lines have come. Even though that the 9 11 in comparison to it's kind of contemporary rivals, the design is more subtle. If you compare the modern 9 11 2 older ones, then there is kind of a bit more progression in the lines of the car, isn't it? And it kind of goes against the folks design, which is a little bit more honest, shall we say. But Joe knows something actually wanted to ask about your car. You know, your seats in the back. You're 9 12

spk_0:   40:34
I do indeed. And they get used regularly,

spk_1:   40:36
right? Okay. And what about you, Andy?

spk_2:   40:39
Yeah, I got receipts.

spk_1:   40:41
Okay. Interesting. Because

spk_2:   40:44
we're taking it without

spk_1:   40:45
where I wass, but kind of only fleetingly. And then I just kind of thought this is a bit of a kind of perennial debate, isn't it? Really Is, too. Like how useful those seats are, because the reality is it's just small people that could get in there. I mean, Joe, your boy Charlie obviously uses and isn't it? But like you're never in a month of Sundays, get a grown adult in the back without without some break combines with you. Surely I reckon

spk_0:   41:10
our key. But if you're hard pushing out to run down to the shops or something, you could you could fill the car without doable

spk_1:   41:17
to think. OK, well, back at you Have you have you, like, legitimately, like had passengers in the back of your non are

spk_2:   41:25
only small ones

spk_1:   41:27
on DH That's the thing is one yeah, for May. Like the idea of work gone

spk_2:   41:32
there. Isn't this kind of What about tonight? There's not much when it's no

spk_1:   41:39
that that is the point, isn't it? That is exactly the point. If you're going to take them out of the way, saving is is minimal. And I would argue for like the one time a month you actually need them. I actually find the most useful when they're folded down. I don't know about you guys and you can actually use it was like an extended shelf of that. All sorts on there like, you know, TVs, wheels, a couple of tyres. Yeah, like the shop in it says as an extended shelf, then using the actual seat basis is kind of cubbyholes. Find that arrangement perfect specially for touring as well if if the front is full. So you're saying the by the time you're taking the seats out, the weight savings minimal. Onda actually also robbing yourself of a little bit practicality when needed, isn't it?

spk_2:   42:23
Yeah, I

spk_0:   42:25
know. I know. You'll get very people get very opinionated about the back seats and whether you keep the more no, I I don't actually is a bit be a bit extreme just to remove them for the sake of removing them when it's yeah, they not harming anyone where they are. But

spk_1:   42:40
yeah, I think so. Especially our car. Remember GTs or GT three touring? It's optional toe. Have them or to know. I can't remember one that is now being on the spot. I think

spk_0:   42:52
GTs is GTs is will come with the mystery. I have not seen a receipt delete as an option on GTs. I know of CIA touring was lots of people got rid of them on the touring, didn't they?

spk_1:   43:02
Yeah, I think it was they came without, but you could option and back in no cost, I think. But you know the car fortune. A journalist who describes for total 9 11 he's in favour of receipts in the touring and I've seen people before said like, Hey, you mad? But actually are This is not as mad as it seems because we say, You know, for the weight saving in in a car that has touring in its name it's tze quite sensible, actually,

spk_2:   43:31
just that's a bad practicality. Snit.

spk_1:   43:33
This is it. Yeah, but then some people just really kind of look down on the whole receipts in an 11 thing, but then they're kind of the whole thing off. Two plus two coupe. Eva, that's what makes the 9 11 and 11 isn't actually

spk_0:   43:46
you mind if I came in? If you don't want greasy? Surely.

spk_1:   43:49
Well, now this is it. And by the time the 9 11 goes, electric is the only thing that defines the 9 11 is going to be that the kind of pointless seats in the back, isn't it? Yeah, they

spk_2:   44:00
always look a bit unfinished without when they got the arrest, carpets and stuff in the back. Yeah. Look, that finished, though. I have seen, you know, players J So the Yeah, he's got a 964 and he's just had on the rear seats taken out of his Andi sets a really nice looking trim work put in the back on. Okay, show up the way it's done, and it looks nice. That's probably the first one I've seen in a while. That looks kind of really yes. Sharp. It looks good. Where

spk_1:   44:34
are my backing? Yeah, but then it's the same. Not particularly with, like thie Air Corps cars. Like even the carpeting in the front boot compartment, I always think, Looks like a bit of an afterthought. Don't don't what you boys think his owners. Yeah,

spk_0:   44:48
I want. Yeah, I think it is 90,000. Afterthought, I think.

spk_1:   44:50
Yeah, it just looks like there's off cut material, Isn't it? Chucked in the front,

spk_2:   44:56
It just hanging around most cars, the front trunk,

spk_0:   45:03
you ugo, the smaller that bit of carpet gets as well. I think your mind trimmed within about three inches of where it's meant to bay on think as they As the cars get later, they probably slightly more care and attention into it. But yeah, mine's literally on old bit of carpet thrown in there.

spk_1:   45:21
Well, boys, what else have we got coming up then for future episodes, we've got lots planned event where we're going to cut. Care to divulge any of this, or shall we just just keep making up as we go along?

spk_2:   45:34
We've got a good list of people that have either approached us all. We've approached. But what? Come on.

spk_1:   45:41
Yeah, There's been some good Regis riots as well.

spk_2:   45:44
Yes, really Good. Yeah. Great. I've got no need to do some more. Actually.

spk_0:   45:48
Way got a fellow 9 12 up and coming, which I'm always always good

spk_2:   45:52
to see you. Yeah.

spk_1:   45:54
Yeah. What colour is that as well. Ah, great. And yeah. Okay. I'm not showing on the exact name, but now it sze very cool. And we wants a

spk_0:   46:06
way to get that on the instagram. It's That's actually its original colour as well.

spk_1:   46:11
I was in. Yeah. What do

spk_2:   46:12
you do, sir? Cool. That's nice.

spk_0:   46:16
Yes, it is. Golden Green is the colour

spk_1:   46:20
golden grey and very good. Very good Now is that it's absolutely beautiful that so roll it forward to feature the other instagram page shortly on DH. Yes, if you'd like your car featured on the rate redline Instagram page, please. You get in contact of us by a direct message. Andi, let's know what you drive. It's not because we're snobs and we want tohave certain cars on there. We just want to know a little bit about you so we can put your storey on there as well. Everybody's got a storey to tell in this kind of world of pork, our culture. So, to be honest, from our point of view, the more storeys we can put on there the better, isn't it? So

spk_0:   46:52
let's see what we need. We need some Caymans on there.

spk_1:   46:55
Yes, we do. I think in honour of our interview with Pink Eli this episode and the fact that Joe you've got once we have a came in on the team, let's have some came and storeys no gritted teeth there until one

spk_0:   47:12
day one day I reckon you'll be a convert. You never of me. You have a secret. One part in the carriage return your

spk_1:   47:18
Hopefully, hopefully right now some fellows off to auto trader. I go then. Hey,

spk_0:   47:25
so from an Delia myself, that wraps up another episode of road to redline keeping on our instagram and your podcast app for our new up and coming into use what we've got planned